i beat a black belt, this dosent mean im great, actualy in matter of fact im pretty shi*. i would say i dont even match to the standards of people on this yahoo awnsers. but all im saying is that boxing relys on the hands, yes its 1 dimensional but im sure of it that a karate person would get hammerd,
i know this as i have been to plenty of shotokan, wado ryu and gojo ryu, the one that is the best form of karate is kyokushin
it is great as they do something call SPARRING.
and yes i do bash kung fu even though i do it, i do kuoshu as i like to call it as, beacuse win chung is bollocks.
win chung people fight like grils, and woo it was crated by 1 as well
dont get me wrong a female could whoop my ***, and gladly so but i am just saying that arts are giving martial arts a bad name.
people think that u can turn invsisble, down to the bs of ninjitsu
i think martial arts need to be deciferd, war like or stupid myth
ashPart 2 of why boxers can pick a part a martial artist?
ok so let the woman kick your a s s allready.
Seriously there is something good in any martial art. Boxing is not a superior system. Any one good at using their feet can keep a boxer at range. Plus that a boxer only uses his fists a true experienced artist can use elbows, knees, feet and his full body as a weapon. (I ain't even gonna talk about martial weapons coming into play) I got into a bout with a boxer a few weeks ago, took him down with one good straight kick to the gut. Result he got to vomit and gave up. boxing is not the perfect art no art is
Fights are individual matters. European-style boxers (began in Britain in the 18th century) are quite limited in their techniques, so few of them can really beat martial artists who use a much wider range of strikes. I could kick you between the eyes long before you could get near enough to punch me. I use the sides of my hands, upper and lower fists, palms and fingertips as well as elbows and other bodyparts for striking. I do not think you can beat many black belts. I am skilled at both European boxing and Asian martial arts, and I say you are quite wrong here in most cases.Part 2 of why boxers can pick a part a martial artist?
You've discovered a reality that plagues the martial art community. If you don't train with resistant opponents, you don't train realistically.
Boxers train realistically, as they sparr constantly and work strenuosly on punches that are effective.
The martial arts that don't train realistically are as you've said, bollocks.
There are styles of karate that are known for being tough (like enshin, kyokushin and shidokan) which include plenty of barekuckle sparring, other styles will depend on the school.
good luck!
You have to compare "apples to apples". Sure a great boxer could beat up on a bad martial artist. But find two people who are equally skilled in their crafts and you'll see just how dominant the martial artist will be.
Competitions such as the UFC, IFL and other mixed martial arts competitions have shown us that you can't be one dimensional in a "street fight". You have to be able to kick, punch, elbow, knee, and grapple to be effective. If you're a boxer and relying only on punches you're going to get your butt kicked.
Most fighters who can grapple will simply tackle a boxer to the ground, then beat the stuffing out him.Part 2 of why boxers can pick a part a martial artist?
I see you have revised your statements since the last topic and focused more on the training methods than the art.
at this point you are wasting your breath as you are preaching to the chior.
now go forth unto the lambs if ignoranceville and become thier savior and prophet and tell them that the ways of realistic training and resistance training shall appease the gods of sparring and war.
Mars is pleased with you, bring forth his wrath on the LARPing dojos/kwoons/gyms/and day care centers of the world and they shall fear him and see the truth.
SONNY LISTON was once asked how he would fare against these "martial arts types"
Before I give you his answer here is the background.
He was asked the question in a karate dojo //boxing club where he trained in an area commonly called a "ghetto"while he and the interveiwer watched a karate class.
2nd SONNY had the reputation of breaking a cops leg with one kick who was trying to arrest him when he was 18.
3rd MOHAMMED ALI in VEGAS for their upcoming title match saw SONNY at a table playing black jack and decided to go over and bug him.SONNY suddenly stood up and said "ALI outside" and they went outside.SONNY said "If you keep on with this bullshit I am going tro show you some real fighting and rack you up so bad you will never be able to fight again"
ALI later said "For the 1st time in my life I knew real fear and never bothered him again out of the ring"
Yet in the ring he was the better fighter.
Now for SONNY's answer .
I would take on these guys anytime if I had a gun.
My point .......beating up someone from "little johnnys" neighbor hood karate dojo in the suburbs is a whole lot different than beating up someone who's day to day concerns about survival are radically different not to mention their reasons for taking the arts.You can bet one of those reasons isn't because it's "fun".
The battle lies not in defeat, but in a proper education.
The arts you play down are the very ones that shaped history of the world, they are the Ancient War Arts of the Ancient World.
I have been around the Martial arts ........ a long time. I have never seen someone disappear. Sounds like the places you hang are filled with some misinformed poorly trained folks . Find a better school or hang with a smarter crowd. Wing Chung may seem bollocks as it takes longer to learn than TKD. We spend a lot of time at our school dispelling myths. We debunk them whenever we have the opportunity.
I still say strongest spirit and best trained whatever art on a given day is where to place your bet.
Just because someone has a black belt in a martial art does not mean they know how to fight. Many martial arts clubs focus on tournament fighting, which is basically speed tag. A club that focuses on self-defense, like the mine, will be able to produce much more efficient fighters in a 'real' fight.
I will admit, if you have a boxer that is able to get within range to use his fists he can get the upper hand. But then he will need to worry about grappling, choke holds and pressure points.
I am a martial artist and without a doubt my weakest aspect are my hand techniques. But you know what, if I need to defend myself I would use kicks sparingly (and if I did you them they would mostly be to the knee to cripple my opponent). I would focus on using my fists, elbows, knees and even headbutts.
But it all boils down to individual circumstances. One lucky punch can be all it takes to win a fight.
Ash, it really doesn't sound like you are really have any idea about martial arts. This is also evident by the fact that you beat a black belt, and still suck. Where do you train?! Obviously not a legitmate school. Oh and by the way Ash, Wing Chun is pretty gnarly stuff. Have you learned and trained in traditional Wing chun? If you have, i doubt you would bash it. Arts like wing chun do not give martial arts a bad name; ignorant practitioners do. Do some real research, do some REAL training, do some REAL sparring (full contact, pankration, mma) and then you can talk.
Now about your post, boxer v.s. martial artist depends on the "game" they are playing. Its whose rules do they have to follow. In a boxing match, a boxer is supreme. Boxers spend all their time perfecting one aspect. But take a boxer out of his rules, and he will get flattened by a wrestler in a mma fight. Same goes with any martial art where the practitioner is proficient. A boxer does not train to defend against kicks, throws, shots, elbows, knees, or any submission. So a practitioner proficient in these will have a huge advantage. And by the way, there have been boxers that enter mma fights and find themselves in a world of hurt quickly. There are many historical fights between boxers and martial artists. For example, Hue Yuen Chou (a well known Choy Li Fut and Tai Chi Chuan fighter) knocked out a famous Russian boxer.
Ok you obviously need more study into the history and theory of martial arts.
Point 1: boxing is good mainly because of 2 things, real practice and conditioning. Any good system including kung-fu and others will incorporate this (or at least the sparring portion, conditioning you can do yourself).
Point 2: All martial arts have something good to take from them. Wing Chun for example has many good things to it. My uncle is a Wing Chun Sifu and he is a TANK!
Point 3: Ninjutsu is not BS. Look up Hatsumi Maasaki. He is an incredible martial artist who can deal with a HUGE variety of weapons and is very deadly even though he is around 75.
Point 4: I'm assuming that at the end there you were trying to spell "declared." You can't go out and say "these are good and these are bad," you have to study the culture and the martial art to understand what the art is good for and why it is the way it is. For example Judo was created by a Phys-Ed teacher named Jigaro Kano to BE A SPORT. This does not mean that it is ineffective but that certain elements should not be used on the street. Ex: holddowns.
Peace!
Like Bruce Lee said "Traditional martial arts are like swimming on dry land".
The goal of traditional martial arts is to develop the body and mind and defend yourself. The goal of boxing is to beat the snot out of someone while preventing as much damage to yourself as possible. 2 different goals.
Newer, combat-oriented styles are far more effective in a street fight. That is their goal.
If you fought a Muay Thai fighter who was about as skilled as you, you would very likely not be standing within about 1 minute or less. That is a combat style.
A traditional artist is learning to do jump kicks, to use weapons, to do kicks over his head, To do kata, etc... You focus on hitting people as hard as you can. Compare apples to apples.
You are absolutely correct that disappearing or using Chi to hurt someone is total crap. But that is a totally different problem from defeating a martial artist.
micheal mcdonald vs ANY current heavy weight.
guess you loose.
so sorry.
The lack of full contact sparing is a problem in alot of karate styles, not only because you need to train to take a hit and learn to fight in situations where a person is going full force at you but also because if you fight full contact your fighting style will change also to something more realistic
but none the less, you can't just say this about all other martial arts, yes sparing is a very important part, and a boxer will beat most martial artists simply because they have that experience of taking a punch, but don't udnerestimate martial artists
Do you remember the Muhammad Ali fight he did against a Japanese martial artist? The fight was really a joke since the guy sat in the middle of the ring and kicked him every time Ali got close. Ali never even touched him. The idiocy of people who practice these arts and think they can do the movie style moves is much different than the actual art. I have studied different styles to go with my wrestling and can say with confidence that I would crush a boxer.
Come one people. This can not be legit. I think this question is meant to flame you all.
Sadly, you have been blinded by American ideas of strength, and by social fads. We Americans tend to think of strength as the same thing as "big." Big hard punches, big hard throws, big muscles, and rigid militant moves equals strength. This is ridiculous, by American logic only huge muscle-men can have any hope of defending themselves. You say boxing is superior to "martial arts," that is almost stupid to say, because you have weight classes in boxing! A short skinny guy who is a really good boxer has very little chance against a really big guy who might only be a so-so boxer. Chinese martial arts aren't viewed as "strong" or "powerful" in America, but is that what matters in a fight? NO! What matters is skill, ability, and victory! All your hard punches and big muscles won't mean a thing if you're face down on the ground. Chinese, and to a degree Japanese, martial arts are the pinnacle of combat theory. The oldest known form of martial arts is a Chinese art (there are actually 2: Chang Chuan and Shui Chao). You need to go read your history, for there are no martial arts more tested in the streets and on the battlefields than those created by the Chinese. Point of fact almost every martial art in existence has either borrowed or completely copied Chinese martial arts, and the few that didn't actually take from Chinese still "created" their techniques AFTER the Chinese had already done it! (See above about "oldest" martial arts) Reality is, the only thing that came along and completely defeated Chinese martial arts is the invention of the gun. So your pathetic boxing cannot compete, and your experiences are limited, I have seen a multitude of boxers get taken down when up against a martial artist. You can tell I'm a little upset, that's because you are one of a thousand ignorant "martial artists" who make assertions and claims without ever reading a single book, or asking teachers and students from OTHER martial arts systems than your own. Don't take "ignorant" as an insult, it merely means you don't know better. What upsets me is you get on here and think you can tell everyone what's up when you don't even know yourself! try obtaining 10 best answers in the martial arts forum BEFORE you try to tell us what is going on.
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